Should you defend your TC?

[Hunter Killer]

Congrats, very impressive how you took 400 medals in 3 days, especially that high up. I just made it to 2200 for the 200 crowns, smaller woot woot

 

[Neko]

TC refers to the Town Center, and IA refers to Industrial Age ^_^

 

[dbukalski]

Grats. 500 medals in 3 days ......lots of playing

 

[Redgar]

It's good you have opponents even that high now can you do top-1 on this rise?

 

[CarlosSuarez]

He dropped again medals I guess

 

[Hunter Killer]

Ok I'm going to have to switch to protecting my TC. Exposed TC worked well until about 2200 medals. Now I get 2 stars defeats worth 11 medals loss. I have more defeats against players ranked lower than myself than players ranked above me.

I don't really care about food and oil resources as I am always reaching storage limit. Gold is being dumped into the walls before I log off . So I don't mind getting 5-starred, losing 350k food if I only lose 1 medal. This happens if I'm lucky to get attacked by one of the top 200 players. Whether the TC is protected or not won't changed the fact that their army is far superior than my defense and they would wipe me out whichever layout I have.

So now I'm testing whether having the TC protected would lower the probability that a lower ranked player (may be correlated to weaker army) tries to attack me. If he skips, I may get that top 200 player in the next match and only lose 1 medal. If I don't protect, that lower ranked player can take a 2-stars victory easily and I lose more because I'm ranked higher.

Here I'm just talking about medal protection and not at all about resource protection anymore. The only resource I really care about is diamond, the rest is pretty easy to get back with a few raids.

 

[dbukalski]

Getting rid of all ur gold may be easy at lower levels. But when their 4,5,6mil a pop ull frequently end ur gaming session with 1.2mil or more in storage. Unless u end ur gaming session earlier than needed to prevent having gold in storage. In which case ur making a big mistake...grab an extra 1mil before logging off even if 300k will be raided. Id rather protect my 350k x 3 attacks even if i can earn it back. Im willing to lose medals for it. I burn the medals myself anyways otherwise. And then that means im giving up a victory to do it along with the 150k league bonus. But if medals is what u care about then yeah protect the tc

 

[dbukalski]

@ redgar - no i can not get to +1 rank. I dont use emulators to keep me logged in like pinkhawk probably does. I dont have lvl30 generals and unlimited crowns for 5 tactics, blessings, mercs with every battle. And i wouldnt go for #1 unless i was maxed out walls because gold farming grinds to a halt the higher u go

 

[dbukalski]

carlos yeah i burned about 350 medals yesterday to be at 2960 where the farming was better

 

[CarlosSuarez]

carlos yeah i burned about 350 medals yesterday to be at 2960 where the farming was better

Are u getting enough enemys at 2950 range? Im actually at 2650-2700 medals and I dont know if climb more

 

[dbukalski]

Yes 2950 is good enough

 

[Hunter Killer]

At the moment, my defenses are really weak so I get wiped out entirely most of the time. So irrespective of whether TC is protected or not, I will have a 5-stars defeat by much stronger armies.

However, I have noticed one thing since I moved the TC back inside. Last night, I got a 1 star defeat worth 7 medals. If my TC had been outside, I would have had a 2-stars defeat worth 14 medals. So I saved 7 medals by just having it inside because he couldn't take the quick victory. My resources are semi-protected, I have space for 2 storage buildings and swap them depending on what I really want to save. I usually manage to get about 20-30 battles an hour so the league bonus are good enough to always get me to the point where I can start an upgrade before I log off. This just needs a little bit of time planning.

The second attack I had 8 hours later, I got a 5-stars defeat worth 5 medals from a maxed out industrial army. The guy was 300 medals above me, so I'm even surprised I lost so many medals. I never get matches worth more than 1 medal at 2300 and yet that guy got a 5 medals battle at 2600 against lower ranked?? That's just a side remark. The main point is that even if my TC was outside, he wouldn't have stopped at 2-stars and leave. At that level, you take all the medals you can. He could wipe me out, why would he stop at a 2-stars victory in any case?

So in these 2 cases, I was better off with TC inside as I saved 7 medals in the first instance and it was irrelevant in the second instance.

The one thing I have noticed when attacking myself is that if the TC is well protected, it takes my whole army to take it down and I don't have enough left to loot. So it's not always black and white on how you save medals or resources. There's a balance somewhere and also the luck factor on who you are going to be matched up.

I don't care about medals per se but I want the crowns rewards for reaching a specific level, like empire and dynasty. After that, I'll be more relaxed about it like you.

 

[CarlosSuarez]

Yes 2950 is good enough

Lol Dbukalski you have attacked me 5 minutes ago. 500 food, 60 gold and +2 medals for you. Thanks for that easy peace treaty

 

[Hunter Killer]

Aha! So he's not all about farming gold, he's actually in for the medals!

 

[dbukalski]

@hunterkiller - im only in it for the gold. Today i burned 70ish medals purposefully losing battles to stay in the 2950 range. I attacked carlos, and many like him because i get 150k gold league bonus + 10 or 20k for all gold resources destroyed if i managed that in his case. Ive never had a battle where i got 60 gold...so im assuming he meant 60k....that puts the total around 220k gold. But even without. Ill attack anyone for a quick 150k

 

[dbukalski]

At the moment, my defenses are really weak so I get wiped out entirely most of the time. So irrespective of whether TC is protected or not, I will have a 5-stars defeat by much stronger armies.

However, I have noticed one thing since I moved the TC back inside. Last night, I got a 1 star defeat worth 7 medals. If my TC had been outside, I would have had a 2-stars defeat worth 14 medals. So I saved 7 medals by just having it inside because he couldn't take the quick victory. My resources are semi-protected, I have space for 2 storage buildings and swap them depending on what I really want to save. I usually manage to get about 20-30 battles an hour so the league bonus are good enough to always get me to the point where I can start an upgrade before I log off. This just needs a little bit of time planning.

The second attack I had 8 hours later, I got a 5-stars defeat worth 5 medals from a maxed out industrial army. The guy was 300 medals above me, so I'm even surprised I lost so many medals. I never get matches worth more than 1 medal at 2300 and yet that guy got a 5 medals battle at 2600 against lower ranked?? That's just a side remark. The main point is that even if my TC was outside, he wouldn't have stopped at 2-stars and leave. At that level, you take all the medals you can. He could wipe me out, why would he stop at a 2-stars victory in any case?

So in these 2 cases, I was better off with TC inside as I saved 7 medals in the first instance and it was irrelevant in the second instance.

The one thing I have noticed when attacking myself is that if the TC is well protected, it takes my whole army to take it down and I don't have enough left to loot. So it's not always black and white on how you save medals or resources. There's a balance somewhere and also the luck factor on who you are going to be matched up.

I don't care about medals per se but I want the crowns rewards for reaching a specific level, like empire and dynasty. After that, I'll be more relaxed about it like you.

See im seeing a while different picture from what u described. The first battle was 1 star. But u put ur gold in harms way to get it. So generally u will lose more gold by forcing players to penetrate ur defenses further to get to tc. In the 2nd battle that was 5 star. If ur tc was exposed u may have and probably would have...gotten someone earlier or even by the same player who would have 2 stared u by popping exposed tc then leaving. By forcing the player to commit to the battle more he decided to finish it and get 5 star. Therefore putting ur gold in harms way and encouraging 5 star wins more often. The third point is if u expose tc then u can focus ur defense on being more efficient and actually killing armies before they 5 star u. A month ago people were attacking with full armies and almost always they would die halfway thru my defenses. But taking 1-3 gold storage in the process. Either player mentality had changed. Or theyve learned my base has serious bite to it. But its going on 3 weeks since ive been more than 2 starred and almost all attacks are tc only. I know im learning how to tackle the bases that keep popping up in my rotations. Id like to think the other players have learned that going for my gold isnt worth the troop losses. And when i say no ones more than 2 starred me. Thats with 5 tactics, generals etc etc etc..

 

[dbukalski]

About ur side remark. The medals u lose on defense(5) is not what he gained(probably 1)

 

[dbukalski]

I did make a push recently to grab the 2k crowns for dynasty then back to 2950 so i understand the desire to get those. It shouldnt take ur entire army to take down the tc with nothing left for looting. Its 3-6 wall miners + 1 infantry + 15 mottos to take down any tc no matter how maxed. Thats half the army. The other half is free to loot. And against all the max bases i fight, and i dont skip any of them. I can take most of the gold, trade goods and tc + fc behind 4 layers of maxed walls. So its gonna be more about your strategy

 

[Hunter Killer]

Yeah I'm not that advanced yet, I still use the raiders on horses (3 days left until the motorcycles). My wall miners are GP level because I didn't used them before so didn't upgrade. I have to send the whole army otherwise, they just get cut in half before they even reach the walls... Anyway, I'll get to your optimum numbers at one point when I have better units. What exactly is the purpose of the 1 infantry in that setup by the way?

With respect to a 5-star defeat, I think anyone who can wipe out a whole base will do it just for the diamond. I know I would do it if I could, even if the TC is exposed. I wouldn't just stop at 2 stars and leave if the base was really easy to clean, which is the case of mine vs IA army.

And yes in that 1 star defeat, I lost 100k gold but saved 7 medals which is like 20 minutes of my life . I get 100k back with 2 wins from league rewards so I'm still better off from my perspective in terms of time spent to catch up what I will lose as soon as I log off.

 

[Danix den Andre]

Sell, a couple of days ago i 5 starred a hunter killer, with exposed tc. And while checking the somewhat familiar name out i uncharactrristically timed out of the game, to see a d ukLski having to resoet to protect and gatlings to take tc, and using alliance troops to try, and fail, to take the last market. Make it look inviting and fairly easy, but not too easy i say