Should you defend your TC?

[dbukalski]

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[dbukalski]

I accidentally double posted one of the pics i tried to keep it chronological. But u get the idea. Fully deployed industrial armies using tactics blimps generals 1-2 stars for 2 weeks straight

 

[Hunter Killer]

Thanks for sharing your experience, it seems to be consistent with what I am seeing with my account. Most of my defeats are with 2 stars as well for exposed TC. I was just more concerned about losing 8 to 15 medals each time and trying to see if I could minimize that. And the only way to do this is only to get attacked by players that are ranked higher than yourself. Today, I got 5-starred by a top player but only lost 1 medal. I don't mind getting totally wiped out if I only lose 1 medal. I'm annoyed when I lose 10 medals for a 2-stars defeat. At the moment, I don't care about losing 300k of gold and food because I can get it back in 2 or 3 battles.

Assuming you have a solid defense, if you protect your TC, would you increase the chance of only losing to players who have more medals than you? This assumes higher level players have higher medal count, which is not always true of course. But if you have a max industrial army, would you be lurking below 2000 medals? I am currently at 2100 and I'm considering that option, so that I stop getting losses against lower medal ranked players, again assuming they have a weaker army than the ones who are ranked higher.

My defense is pretty bad (gunpowder level although I am in IA). It's not even a matter of gold investment, it's a matter of workers availability for me. I need to upgrade barracks, air strip, etc... for offense, I never get enough workers to upgrade defense. So currently, this is purely theoretical because I can't protect my TC efficiently even if I wanted to

Also what happened to your optimal 2800 medal range? Last time I checked, you now have more than 3000 medals! Is this the new sweet spot for farming gold? And how did you jump 200+ medals in one day at that level???

 

[Eddie F1]

Artha of Czech Republic is a busy little attacker - how did he manage that trick of attacking twice inside a minute?

 

[Redgar]

Well, my mostly GP defense still brought me 4 wins this week at around 2000 medals and 30+ medals, so I left my base with defended TC for now. Also, I started thinking about forbidden city instead of notre dam, raiders are annoying, especially that moonis from usa elite. Tell him to stop, dbuk )))

 

[Eddie F1]

10 hours a day, 20-30 battles per hour on French TB = 200-300 medals

The match-making doesn't always deliver up similar medalled players - I've had 2400 players attacking when I was 1600, presumably get a few 1200 medallers when I lose many medals.

But other than that we probably have near identical setups, TC outside, GP defences, workers busy on attack upgrades. Some of dbukalskis defences are positively Medievel

 

[Hunter Killer]

That may be true at lower medal range and I used to take 1 medal a minute on average.

But at 2800, most people in my alliance don't get matches for 5-10 mins easy. You'd be lucky to get even 10 battles an hour. And also have to dismiss the matches you can't win.

I may be wrong because I'm not fighting at that level so let's see what dbukalski's new trick is

And yes maybe it's full redbull for 24h non stop.

 

[dbukalski]

@eddie - artha from chezh actually attacked me 3 times in a row. One like 8 hrs ago, then 2 more times when treaty wore off. Hacks, bugs, dumb luck? Who knows. Well the 2 back to back seems like hacks..........@redgar ill let moonie know to chill out

 

[dbukalski]

Well, my mostly GP defense still brought me 4 wins this week at around 2000 medals and 30+ medals, so I left my base with defended TC for now. Also, I started thinking about forbidden city instead of notre dam, raiders are annoying)

I think players obsess about medals more than they should when what they really need is to focus on gold to upgrade their walls to upgrade their defense so that one day theyll be fully functional defensive base. Yes in the short term u can do ok with lvl-9 or 10 walls. But getting thru 10,11...13 takes way more determination than stumbling through the early lvls. But eventually global and space age come out and if ur not taking care of ur walls ull never be competitive for the highest medal ranges. Then their going to release alliance wars and weekend challenges and defense may provide even bigger returns in terms of gold or whatever. Like if ur not on the leaderboard then no one can see that ur 2000 medals so why worry about medals overly much. Notre dam gives a gold return thats gonna get u further faster. And when u cross the maxed out base finish line then its time to go hog wild for medals. Theres a biiig difference between what medal chasers can do and what gold chasers can do. Im a gold chaser. A base that only takes 30 seconds to destroy tc using half my army(so faster rebuild) takes 2mins and full wipe when ur targeting all the gold on the same base. So right there the medal chaser is about 5x as fast grinding out medals. And the maxed out player better defense means fewer medals lost on defense. So dont hunt medals until its ur time...... all imo

 

[Eddie F1]

Bugs and unlucky I'd say - not sure how anybody would hack to get a specific target.

Which leads me to start thinking there aren't all that many players in this game once past 1500 medals - I've had the opportunity to attack somebody twice inside 5 minutes, 2nd time all the traps were sprung because it was my raiders that sprung them 5 mins earlier and died.

And I'm sure I'm seeing the same bases over and over - seem very familiar.

 

[dbukalski]

I was just more concerned about losing 8 to 15 medals each time and trying to see if I could minimize that. And the only way to do this is only to get attacked by players that are ranked higher than yourself.

Assuming you have a solid defense, if you protect your TC, would you increase the chance of only losing to players who have more medals than you? This assumes higher level players have higher medal count, which is not always true of course. But if you have a max industrial army, would you be lurking below 2000 medals? I am currently at 2100 and I'm considering that option, so that I stop getting losses against lower medal ranked players, again assuming they have a weaker army than the ones who are ranked higher.

My defense is pretty bad (gunpowder level although I am in IA). It's not even a matter of gold investment, it's a matter of workers availability for me. I need to upgrade barracks, air strip, etc... for offense, I never get enough workers to upgrade defense. So currently, this is purely theoretical because I can't protect my TC efficiently even if I wanted to

Yes with a strong enough defense and defending ur tc the lower medal weaker players will either close app on u or skip u until a proper chllenger steps up. And then even if u lose 3-5 stara u lose fewer medals than the 2 star loss u would have gotten to a weak player. But it takes a VERY strong base to achieve the effect ur looking for. Pushing the tc into ur defensive layout weakens it. Putting resource storage outside of walls exposes u to easy 50% loss while walking away with the gold. Ur trading one thing for another. I am fairly confident for non maxed players who should have a very strong desire to protect their gold and a minor interest in minimizing medal losses then exposed tc is the way to go

 

[atom3]

What is TC, IA, GP... some should have written a legend of the abbreviations

 

[dbukalski]

Also what happened to your optimal 2800 medal range? Last time I checked, you now have more than 3000 medals! Is this the new sweet spot for farming gold? And how did you jump 200+ medals in one day at that level???

The sweet spot shifts upwards as the playerbase increases in medals collectively. I was informed that 3k+ was populated enough for farming so tested the waters. Now im going straight to 3200 to pick up the 2k crown reward and see if the league bonus(175...200?k) is worth it for the opponent situation. I was prepared to take a small hit in farming gold anyways. Partially because the germans combined into one alliance threatening usa elite #1 position so the alliance needed its members to bump up in medals. Also i expect a french, training blessing, raider nerf any day. Each nerf will affect my ability to climb to 3200 medals but maintaining is easier. When the nerf happens id like to be at my goal already. That destiny medal is sexy when the nerf finally happens people will be attacking bases at a slower pace. So automatically there will be more bases not under peace treaty. More people will accidentally time out of the game waiting for their army to build. And clicking next opponent for 1min wont be as big a deal when retrain takes 20 minutes. What will matter more then is gold/battle and the 200kish league bonus will play into that better.

 

[dbukalski]

It was more like 150 medals that day, 60mil gold farmed. What my tactics are, how i find opponents i wont go into. Its to my benefit for people to be inefficient in all of it. Leaves more opponents for me to farm. I will say that i dont use an emulator or hacks or cheats of any sort. I know people are using emulators to pull all kinds of stuff. Stay logged in and such. I play the game as it comes on my phone. Im not putting in months of playtime to get banned 6 mos into the game when the developers catch up to whatever people are doing. I will drop one hint though. My battle strategy factors in reducing the number of rallies i need to use. To me the rally function is like taking ur next turn in a traditional board strategy game. I need to hit the tc/fc, the trade goods, and gold in as few rallies as possible. Im at about 15-20 medals an hour (sometimes u find a nice 26 medal battle). If i didnt need to spend so much time chasing the gold on the map it would be much higher

 

[dbukalski]

i understand how people struggling to perform in the game would look at success and think im cheating somehow. What they dont realize is how much of a gap there is between what im optimizing in my gaming and what they do.

 

[Hunter Killer]

Personally, I've never implied that you were cheating. I experiment on my own and usually end up at the same conclusion as you. But you seem to always be one step ahead so I just want to save some experimentation time So I'm a bit sad you won't share your tactic...

In my case, yes I can sustain 20-30 medals an hour at my level (2200 at the moment). Yesterday, I got a +38/-1 match and I took +15 so that was awesome, but it's super rare. I just didn't know for how long this can keep on going. If you say it's true all the way up to dynasty then it's great.

There's probably some better times to play to get matches, like when europeans and americans start going to sleep and logging off I guess.

 

[Redgar]

That is correct. I stop targeting ALL of the loot, it's not inefficient on rally waiting time. I am fine with TC, oil or gold, crystal may be. Faster combats are more efficient.

 

[dbukalski]

I didnt think u were saying i was cheating. But people have it at the back of their mind even if just lurking in the topic so just squelching that. Today starting anout 330pm finding battles has been really hard seems to be effecting everyone including the 2400 medal guys in my alliance. So im not sure if its my medal range or just a tough time/day.

 

[Hunter Killer]

Just got attacked by your teammate Huntsman who took my exposed TC for only 1 medal lost so thank him for that

 

[dbukalski]

Ill let him know. Just hit 3200 dynasty woot woot 2k crowns