Museum / Coalitions / Council Stats

Lyonz

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 29, 2020
Messages
75
It says in the museum that -85% debuff is max, does this only apply to the museum? Does coalitions add on top? Same question about the council? As I’m getting a lot of mixed messages…
 

Harlems369th

BHG Community Manager
Staff member
Joined
May 6, 2022
Messages
800
It says in the museum that -85% debuff is max, does this only apply to the museum? Does coalitions add on top? Same question about the council? As I’m getting a lot of mixed messages…
The -85% debuff cap takes into account all sources. These are not individual caps from each space.
 

Lyonz

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 29, 2020
Messages
75
Attackers on the other hand has no cap? So could have 300% fighters… how’s a defender supposed to defend against that? Unless the debuff applies after the attackers %?
 
Last edited:

Dracula3811

Approved user
Joined
Oct 2, 2016
Messages
251
Attackers on the other hand has no cap? So could have 300% fighters… how’s a defender supposed to defend against that? Unless the debuff applies after the attackers %?
Museum effects on your stuff is always applied before interaction with the opposing museum's effects.

Fyi, with rare exception, this game has been offense focused. Source: I've been playing since the beginning and that's my observations.
 

ahyo1217

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Messages
14
The -85% debuff cap takes into account all sources. These are not individual caps from each space.
If the sum of parameters inside Museum A is -150%,
and the parameters inside Museum B are +80%,
does this result in -5% or -70%?
thanks

@Harlems369th
 
Last edited:

Harlems369th

BHG Community Manager
Staff member
Joined
May 6, 2022
Messages
800
If the sum of parameters inside Museum A is -150%,
and the parameters inside Museum B are +80%,
does this result in -5% or -70%?
thanks

@Harlems369th
The answer to your question would be -5%.

We've not introduced the changes that we proposed in sitrep #1 (here). This is something that we could revisit, but currently don't have plans to do so.
 

Monte Carlo

New member
Joined
Oct 3, 2023
Messages
14
I have a similar question!
In council under active war benefits, does the stat line “+20% defender spawn speed near wonders” equate to an additional -20% defender spawn time if the defensive building is near a wonder?

@Harlems369th
 

ahyo1217

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Messages
14
The answer to your question would be -5%.

We've not introduced the changes that we proposed in sitrep #1 (here). This is something that we could revisit, but currently don't have plans to do so.
@Harlems369th
Thank you for your response, but I have tested it on my end, and the "Enemy Guard Production Time Reduction" does not apply a pre-applied limit of -85% before calculation. However, the "Enemy All Towers HP Reduction" does indeed apply as you mentioned.

Is there a difference in the design of these two features? I have notes on this, but they are presented in Chinese, so I didn't directly provide them to you for viewing. If you need them, I can provide them, along with the verification method and results.

Furthermore, the results of my verification are conclusions that have been reviewed by several players, not just my personal claims.
 

Harlems369th

BHG Community Manager
Staff member
Joined
May 6, 2022
Messages
800
I have a similar question!
In council under active war benefits, does the stat line “+20% defender spawn speed near wonders” equate to an additional -20% defender spawn time if the defensive building is near a wonder?
That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.
@Harlems369th
Thank you for your response, but I have tested it on my end, and the "Enemy Guard Production Time Reduction" does not apply a pre-applied limit of -85% before calculation. However, the "Enemy All Towers HP Reduction" does indeed apply as you mentioned.

Is there a difference in the design of these two features? I have notes on this, but they are presented in Chinese, so I didn't directly provide them to you for viewing. If you need them, I can provide them, along with the verification method and results.

Furthermore, the results of my verification are conclusions that have been reviewed by several players, not just my personal claims.
You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?
 

Rollin

Member
Joined
Aug 10, 2022
Messages
65
What does „Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum“ this mean @Harlems369th ??? can you explain that ? maybe using an example ?
 

Lyonz

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 29, 2020
Messages
75
That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.

You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?
What’s the max % for defender spawn time before it doesn’t work if there is a cap?
 

ahyo1217

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Messages
14
That is a way to look at it yes. But you cannot go below 10s defender spawn time, while it is a buff this does have a cap on reducing your defender spawn time. The first spawn wave works a bit differently in terms of reducing that time, most buildings will have a minimum delay of 2 seconds, Drone Command is the exception with an instant spawn minimum.

You are correct here if you're talking about "Enemy Defender Spawn Time". This doesn't have a limit and works differently because of the timer aspect. So here you can go beyond the -85% for EDST! Does this help?
Thank you for your response, and all concerns regarding the -85% limit have been clarified.
Previously, the response we received from the Chinese customer service center for Asian players was that 200 + -200 = 0%.

We understand that this should have originally been 115%, and there has been no change.
Therefore, the information we received did not match your previous response, which is why we conducted the tests to confirm.
Your current explanation aligns with our testing results,
and we appreciate your response once again.
 

Maxis

Member
Joined
Oct 10, 2023
Messages
45
I haven't heard a better explanation from the developers. Thanks Harlem!
The biggest issue there is that we can't see the actual war stats or spawn time or anything and it needs lots of testing. Please implement a way for us to be able to see the DPS of war mortars for example after the Museum, Uni, Library, Coals, Council and ...
 

Monte Carlo

New member
Joined
Oct 3, 2023
Messages
14
@Harlems369th
Do museum/council troop buffs also affect those troops on defense?

For example, if the artifact/councilor line is +10% Bazooka or Heavy Tank Damage, would rocket arsenal/bunker troops gain the buff on defense as well?
 
Top