Greeks reborn and Glory Decay script injustice

[Mehalawy]

I really wish BHG fix this error, we need to support the players who actually play fair !!!

 

[LordStark263AC]

Nobodyknowsthetrouble's voice sounds familiar.... I wonder who it is...

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

where did you hear my voice? or is that a figure of speech I don't know and was referring to the wording?
maybe my name reminds you of the song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobody_Knows_the_Trouble_I've_Seen

I am pretty sure that we've never met before ;-)

 

[LordStark263AC]

Yeah it was a figure of speech , but your facial features does look familiar.

 

[Crunt]

An absolute shocker, I’ve never seen -2000+ glory in a war. Hope you guys get it returned as this is a joke

 

[Mystique4122]

I do not know where to start cause this has affected me and my alliance very much and I do not know if we can regroup after that but I will try my best to explain a few things...

First of all I wanna say that for years we play to the best of our ability without engaging in illegal or immoral in-game activities. Nobody in my alliance ever did any TT cloning or run any museum bot or used the external server. We fought and achieved high positions in the leaderboard through our dedication and effort.

While being a top alliance, we never liked seeing other alliances parked up there at the top and doing glory sniping or just abandoning the WWs altogether. We always felt that the leaderboard must be clean from inactive alliances and I have personally sent messages to @Harlems369th in order to run the glory decay script more often.

Having said that, we have a sister alliance called GREEK STEEL. We have never done a war together with the boys there so on the 23rd of January we visited them and as we are not many players, Greeks Reborn was left with just a few members, and matched a team in a single 30vs30. War day was on the 24th and the war ended very late on the 25th of January. So, we decided to just sleep and the next day we would go back to Greeks reborn and resume our wars there.

Meanwhile, the announcement about glory decay went live at the forums but nobody saw it. Not that it would change much as our war was still in progress in its last hours and bed time was near. Anyway, we slept and we woke up only to find upon our return to Greeks Reborn that we have 2013 glory less!!!

I can understand coding something and doing some harm cause a script cannot think of every possible situation and exception. But here, it is crystal clear that we have an exception to the rule.
-From when is it legit to punish 20 people for just visiting a sister alliance for 2 days?
-How is it possible to cancel the 8-9 month effort of 20 players to reach the top of the leaderboard like this?
I do not understand any of it.... We are all grown ups and I believe we can accept a mistake when it is being done and correct it! That is what is expected from adults!

As the leader of Greeks reborn I am making this post on behalf of all my alliance members and therefore I request BHG employees @TheWise @Harlems369th to reconsider and award us back the glory we lost.

Regards
Odysseas aka oddin

This is not fair and should be addressed properly an established alliance treated like isn't good at all

 

[LuSt]

There was too much to actually read. But I got
The gist of it I think.

Wish BHG gave all the perameters of the glory decay but obviously if they did then the alliances that take advantage of glory sniping and multiple alliances would be able to do the bare minimum to skate past. To be fair I don’t believe there is anything wrong with glory sniping or having multiple
Alliances. This is a strategy game and teams thought outside the box to further their success. Even tho I don’t think there is anything wrong with this strategy I am against doing it. The strategy does not help the game grow our help promote a more competitive leader board. In the end I’m glad they implemented the glory decay as I believe and hope it will promote a better experience for more players in the top 100.

It seems like BHG created an auto script to combat inactive teams along with an attempt to promote single alliance teams. As it is their game and it is their right to do so.

I do agree that Greek reborn should not been hit with this. But we don’t know all the factors in why a team would receive glory decay. Hopefully this was just an over site in the script and BHG can and will resolve this.

Ive said this in the past.

This is a strategy game, a strategy was used because other teams wouldn’t fight when facing Ares, they still don’t. If one aspect of this problem requires a solution (Glory Decay) then shouldn’t the other side also be penalized in a similar fashion?

Let’s be realistic here, EVERYONE has dealt with an opposing team that just didn’t try. How long has the community been requesting a “surrender war option” because of this exact reason? Those wars are boring and a waste of time.

Now imagine that happening to you almost every war? Doesn’t seem so fair anymore does it?

Regardless… these new parameters are useless and still easily avoidable wether kept a secret or not by using common sense on how the game functions. This won’t solve anything except hurt the Alliances that unfortunately find themselves in a similar situation as Greeks Reborn.

You want to solve the problem of Glory Sniping then solve the problem that created it in the first place. Add a forfeit war option, penalize alliances that don’t even try by having them lose extra Glory if they don’t get 75% of all possible stars (I think this would be the best solution), or give bonus Glory to the alliance that wins a blowout war. There are so many better solutions.

 

[Spaceboy]

Was the script not to reduce glory if no war was fought the last 15 days? Twice per year we have a break of 2 weeks, so I always feared that our glory would be reset just when we are on holiday. But we don’t care about that glory anymore. We just have fun and that’s it.

 

[Vapula]

Its been 4 days.. I do not understand why an official response hasn't been issued! Its outrageous..

Let's face it, about 90% of the people in this thread are in the favour of Greeks' GD was unfair and should be refunded.. so it's not even a close call that they are waiting on more opinions or players..

The script was flawed and so, the GD should be refunded, where is the delay at??

 

[LuSt]

Its been 4 days.. I do not understand why an official response hasn't been issued! Its outrageous..

Let's face it, about 90% of the people in this thread are in the favour of Greeks' GD was unfair and should be refunded.. so it's not even a close call that they are waiting on more opinions or players..

The script was flawed and so, the GD should be refunded, where is the delay at??

It’s the weekend

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

having them lose extra Glory if they don’t get 75% of all possible stars

i think this not a good idea. We have seen wars 10v with team A had 2 digital age players and team B had 1 drone age plus 1 info age, both loaded with premium TT and 3 defensive coalitions. This discrepancy continued until the middle. Then in the bottom half, team B had Iron Age players and team A had Medieval or Enlightenment players. You don't get 75% of the stars in a war like that, even if you attack with premium like recon.

 

[oddin]

ok lets do a quick summary...

- Our alliance had glory taken from us cause the script found, during the check, that there were few members in the alliance
- it didn't look when was the last war we played (just 2 days ago)
- other alliances with months out of WW, had similar amount of glory taken so there is no proportional glory loss (i.e. 2 days vs 15 days vs 5 months should not all fall into the same category).

It is common sense that the glory taken from Greeks Reborn was wrong and all that remains is BHG to acknowledge the mistake and correct it by awarding us back the missing glory. This is the only fair solution and what is expected from BHG and @Harlems369th @TheWise @BHGAustin .

Next is the tweaking of the glory script so as to take into account the alliance player number AND the WW activity.
And last of all, a system that would eliminate the need for a glory decay script altogether (Tedi and Lust have some interesting ideas about it)

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

ok lets do a quick summary...

all that remains is BHG to acknowledge the mistake and correct it by awarding us back the missing glory. This is the only fair solution

NO, it is not fair. IF you want other criteria to be considered, THEN this should apply to all alliances. THIS would be fair. Asking only for one alliance is already the first mistake and leads to injustice. Maybe your new criteria also apply to AVANTE BR too, for example, or others.

It is common sense that the glory taken from Greeks Reborn was wrong

it is common sense that you have been found to have " failed to meet the bhg expectations of a war alliance" (on this specific date) and thus a penalty is appropriate.

- other alliances with months out of WW, had similar amount of glory taken so there is no proportional glory loss (i.e. 2 days vs 15 days vs 5 months should not all fall into the same category).

but i agree, that the penalty could be proportional
Nevertheless, an alliance that is too small is a different flaw than an alliance that is not fighting at all

 

[oddin]

- Dude I can only speak for my alliance. I cannot represent AVANTE BR or any other alliance that had the same mistreatment like us. I feel for them and I am rdy to support anyone in the same position like us but their leader has to come forward and fight for their rights. Hope that is clear for you.

Edit: at the end of the day, it is BHGs responsibility to correct their mistake and return the glory to all wrongly affected

- common sense dictates that you try to evaluate a situation from all sides and think correctly all variables. In that specific case, the glory decay script had a flaw. It only checked WW activity (how many days off) OR low number of players (i.e. less than 10).
I guess you understand that the right thing would be to take into consideration the low number of players vs the how many days off...
i.e Run a check for both of these parameters... If X alliance has less than 6 members but inactivity days is less than 5 then goto next alliance.
It is quite simple in logic

 

[nobodyknowsthetrouble]

Dude, if you are interested in fairness, as you claim, you would not ask for special treatment for your alliance. You would say that you believe the script was flawed and generally needs to be undone and then re-run improved. You can use the example of your alliance to argue why you see flaws in the script. Hope you can see the difference.
Your limited claim for GR only is the same as me saying that my offense/defense is not balanced and therefore demanding that (only) my towers need be strengthened by 300%. It's totally absurd and contributes neither to fairness nor to the community. Hope that is clear for you.

 

[Rafar]

It is not my or AVANTE BR's intention to deviate from the focus of this topic which is about the Greek Reborn alliance. As a leader and spokesperson, I offered solidarity and wanted to contribute with a similar example where we were also affected and felt harmed by a script that claims to pursue or act against an objective that we equally support, but which factually makes mistakes in the process.

AVANTE BR did not open a complaint about what happened through CS tickets. Perhaps we should have done so, but that was more in the interest of helping others than in the hope that BHG would make any kind of amends in this regard.

In Brazil there is a popular saying that goes: "Hope is the last thing that dies". BHG opened competition with death.

 

[ERZR]

From reading the thread, all of the supporters are from said alliance. I agree with BHG with this one, no special treatment and more to that some of their members are super sus.

 

[oddin]

BHG it is about time you give to us and the community a final answer concerning this issue.

This matter requires an official response and action and it is not proper to ignore it or this thread any more.

@Harlems369th @TheWise @BHGAustin