Network Error 420

TitanKnight

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@Davis - The Emissary any idea about this error we are getting?
It happend more often on domiworld (same on iOS iPad / iPhone), and have to press "Try again" 5+ times
often when finish watch 4th. daily video, pick fruit tree also cause this error popup sometime... etc.
 
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moisie

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We have one player in the team who 'complains about this' just now. I don't know about it. Haven't had sofar?
 

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How often you guys getting it since earlier this week? @Harlems369th
happened at last daily video, pick fruit tree, parliament donate ..
more occurring in iOS and Domiworld web.
Please report this to the CS Team so it can be appropriately tracked and reviewed.
 

Davis - The Emissary

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Hi folks! Appreciate you bringing up the '420 Network Error' to us, especially those who submitted tickets as that helps us get a rough estimate of the number of players hitting this on a given day. Here's some context for that particular error code;

We recently implemented some anti-cheat security that has already helped us to prevent and ban players exploiting DomiNations in a number of ways. Based on your reports, it sounds like we've over tuned some things on that front. We're actively adjusting these values and hope to lower the frequency with which legit players see that message. We appreciate your patience as we adjust~
 

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Hi folks! Appreciate you bringing up the '420 Network Error' to us, especially those who submitted tickets as that helps us get a rough estimate of the number of players hitting this on a given day. Here's some context for that particular error code;

We recently implemented some anti-cheat security that has already helped us to prevent and ban players exploiting DomiNations in a number of ways. Based on your reports, it sounds like we've over tuned some things on that front. We're actively adjusting these values and hope to lower the frequency with which legit players see that message. We appreciate your patience as we adjust~
thanks for the update

i still experience 420 after the second and fourth daily video rewards (the one with crowns)

edit: this is not related to crowns, next account got 420 after 3rd video
 
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TitanKnight

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Yes, worse than last night.. same things happened to many players.
Now we only get 1 token from Marco, no more free 5 tokens in shop.
 

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still problems with 420, e.g.
yesterday:
- 2 accounts got this message problem during daily videos
- ally wrote in team chat, that he also experience this after mining/gathering
today:
- after 3rd daily videos
- while searching (swiping forth and back) in council inventory
 

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I've been getting them across my accounts too. I'm not contacting CS though, which is like talking to a brick wall.

Hopefully it gets resolved soon.
 

Harlems369th

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still problems with 420, e.g.
yesterday:
- 2 accounts got this message problem during daily videos
- ally wrote in team chat, that he also experience this after mining/gathering
today:
- after 3rd daily videos
- while searching (swiping forth and back) in council inventory
Thank you, we're still actively investigating this issue and trying to get an optimal solution out that doesn't trigger false positives.
 

Davis - The Emissary

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I'm not contacting CS though,
@Parmenion No one is forcing you to contact CS, but know that contacting CS isn't always for you. It allows us to see how many folks this is affecting. You deciding not to means that we get fewer reports, and then we assign a lower priority to the issue than we maybe should because ticket volume is low. So... if you want future fixes sooner, you'd write into CS with any info you might be able to provide to help us narrow down the issues. 😁
 

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@Parmenion No one is forcing you to contact CS, but know that contacting CS isn't always for you. It allows us to see how many folks this is affecting. You deciding not to means that we get fewer reports, and then we assign a lower priority to the issue than we maybe should because ticket volume is low. So... if you want future fixes sooner, you'd write into CS with any info you might be able to provide to help us narrow down the issues. 😁
These are nice words and may sound logical at first, but our experience has been different.

When I report errors like this, support suggests switching between Wi-Fi and mobile data, clearing the cache, or reinstalling the game. None of this is helpful, as the error is clearly on your end.

It doesn't make sense for me to write anything. It's better to develop avoidance strategies, such as waiting two seconds before harvesting the third tree, just to be on the safe side; that's how long it would take to press reload after network error 420.
The same applies to:
- I avoid using generals in multiplayer, as network errors/retraining sometimes render them unusable for 24 hours.
- I avoid using aircraft on the left edge, as they fly in uncontrolled loops.
- I avoid looking at the defense log or inventory, because the automatic focus on the inbox is extremely annoying.
And much more.

The trick is to play around all your bugs and still have fun.

By the way, in none of the examples mentioned did the number of tickets lead to bugs being fixed, which makes me doubt that it could be any different this time.
 

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By the way, in none of the examples mentioned did the number of tickets lead to bugs being fixed, which makes me doubt that it could be any different this time.
Seems in this company things don't get fixed because they're broken - they only get fixed depending on how loud the wheels squeak.
 

Davis - The Emissary

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they only get fixed depending on how loud the wheels squeak
@King Crimson That's not really true... but I do think there's logic to us fixing the loudest wheels first, as they bother the largest group of folks the most. Why would we not want this? 🤔

By the way, in none of the examples mentioned did the number of tickets lead to bugs being fixed, which makes me doubt that it could be any different this time.
@nobodyknowsthetrouble How do you know? It sounds like you're assuming we got a large number of detailed and high value tickets. Are you aware of how many tickets we got for each of those issues, or are you just speculating based on the number you think got submitted? Often we don't get nearly the volume one might assume, or the tickets we do get consist of "I'm angry that I got an error" and that's all we hear from that person. 😅 - but at least they submitted a ticket! With that we know that one more person is affected, and we can grab their base ID and often times even that is enough to help us narrow down the issue.

It doesn't make sense for me to write anything. It's better to develop avoidance strategies, such as waiting two seconds before harvesting the third tree, just to be on the safe side; that's how long it would take to press reload after network error 420.
The same applies to:
- I avoid using generals in multiplayer, as network errors/retraining sometimes render them unusable for 24 hours.
- I avoid using aircraft on the left edge, as they fly in uncontrolled loops.
- I avoid looking at the defense log or inventory, because the automatic focus on the inbox is extremely annoying.
And much more.
I'm not saying that we're perfect or that we always fix everything. You are 100% welcome to avoid submitting tickets because you are fatigued, you think it's pointless, or any number of other reasons. I'm here to tell you that the more tickets we get, the more folks we assume are affected, and the higher priority that issue becomes. It's as simple as that. This feels logical to me - does anyone have a better suggestion for how we handle things? I'm genuinely all ears.

When I report errors like this, support suggests switching between Wi-Fi and mobile data, clearing the cache, or reinstalling the game. None of this is helpful, as the error is clearly on your end.
Maybe that's because 90% of the related tickets we get every single day for network disconnects are resolved with those fixes. 😁 Have you considered that we might share that info for a reason? I'm looking at the tickets on this end, and if you'd like to also I'd be happy to review your application! While it can be true that 100% of the network disconnect tickets you submit are not fixed by these steps, it can also be true (and it is) that 90% of folks who write in about it the same day are all fixed with one of those suggestions. Just because you hit a disconnect for one reason, even if you get the same exact error code, that doesn't mean every other person is hitting it for the same reason. Folks hit issues for a variety of reasons and just because they look the same to you does not mean they have the same exact root cause.



Listen guys, it's not like I'm sitting here begging you to submit tickets... I'm just letting you in on our process for assessing the priority of live issues like these. Provide as much info as you can and submit tickets when you are able - or don't and wait for us to figure it out on our own - or wait for enough of your peers to do the work for you. (because plenty of them are willing and submit very helpful tickets which aid us in fixing issues quicker.)

I'm not upset that you don't want to be a part of the solution, and I want to recognize the fact that your experiences are super valid. I imagine you're tired of submitting tickets and not feeling like it has had any positive impact over the years. This game has been out for almost 11 years, so I definitely can't speak for everything that has happened in the past. All I ask is this: please do not suggest to others that it is pointless to submit tickets - it is one of the most helpful things for us that regularly improves fix times by a significant margin~ ❤️
 

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Long time player - will never submit another ticket as from about 2 years ago - complete waste of my time. Many players in feel the same way, tickets wont happen. Maybe submit a poll on the forum to see what bugs annoy members the most with an option for Other = insert bug details
 

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Long time player - will never submit another ticket as from about 2 years ago - complete waste of my time. Many players in feel the same way, tickets wont happen. Maybe submit a poll on the forum to see what bugs annoy members the most with an option for Other = insert bug details
@Boldy I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, but if you would take the time to read my previous message you'd know that I'm not asking players like yourself to submit tickets. If you've been burned and don't want to, I would actually rather you not submit any, as it'll likely lead to a negative experience for everyone involved. If you're trying to suggest that folks aren't willing to submit tickets at all, I've got roughly 200+ tickets coming in every single day (and that's on a slow week) from folks who are willing and many of them are actively helping us pinpoint emerging and pressing new issues.

A poll on the forums does nothing to track the volume and severity of new, live issues. Longstanding bugs are a different beast and I think that warrants an entirely different conversation.
 

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@Boldy I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, but if you would take the time to read my previous message you'd know that I'm not asking players like yourself to submit tickets. If you've been burned and don't want to, I would actually rather you not submit any, as it'll likely lead to a negative experience for everyone involved. If you're trying to suggest that folks aren't willing to submit tickets at all, I've got roughly 200+ tickets coming in every single day (and that's on a slow week) from folks who are willing and many of them are actively helping us pinpoint emerging and pressing new issues.

A poll on the forums does nothing to track the volume and severity of new, live issues. Longstanding bugs are a different beast and I think that warrants an entirely different conversation.
Thread 'Sniper Tower Bug' https://forums.bighugegames.com/index.php?threads/sniper-tower-bug.46743/

Good afternoon. Can you answer this question?
 
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