Discussion about Token redemption for legendary and mythic legendary

[Abhorsen]

Hi Harlem,

Can the team discuss about the idea of how token cost was decided in 12.20?

The game has always followed the logic that:

Less desirable / lower tier legendaries are 100 tokens.

Mid / high tier legendaries are 300 tokens.

We introduced Mythic now that went straight to 1,000 crowns. The gap is bizarre.

Logically I would think:

Legendary tier -

Low tier - 100
High tier - 300

Mythic tier -

Low tier - 500
High tier - 700

I’m curious why we went to such a high inflation for tokens?

Can we reduce the amount of tokens needed for mythic.

@Harlems369th

 

[Seek]

How about we do this the Seek way?
Meaning I have 1331 tokens so lets make high teir 400 tokens lol jk can’t blame me for trying lol

But I do agree with Adhorsen .

 

[Abhorsen]

How about we do this the Seek way?
Meaning I have 1331 tokens so lets make high teir 400 tokens lol jk can’t blame me for trying lol

But I do agree with Adhorsen .

Lol

 

[Nikolay]

It's not hard to notice the trend that BHG/LTG is following - the game has been PayToWin oriented for several years now. Chests with a low percentage of artifacts being obtained from them, changes in rewards for collections in the council, a decrease in the number of crowns and SpeedUps from viewing ads and completing quests, well, and as a tombstone - 12.20, so that all players rush to update museums and buy new artifacts by investing more and more $$$.

I won't be surprised if by the end of the year they stop giving us legendary tokens in such quantities so that the company can monetize mythical artifacts even more. And they will also sell us chests with a 0.01% chance of getting a mythical artifact

And it is strange that they still do not sell us skins for troops, buildings, planes, generals...

Their desires are filled only with a thirst for profit, they do not listen to the players, they only want to squeeze out more and more money. As a result, this leads to the fact that old, experienced and able to play players leave the game, and newcomers leave this absurdity at low ages because the game is saturated with bugs, many cheaters, lack of in-game balance, lack of training and understanding of the mechanics of the game. Now a newcomer needs to invest money, without which it is extremely difficult to develop and reach high ages, I'm not even talking about playing in the top 100 alliances

It's funny that the company does not fix the above problems, they constantly say that they are trying to fight this and make changes, but in fact, each new update gradually worsens and complicates the gameplay and increases dependence on money

I sincerely believe that there are good guys working in the company, but whoever makes decisions does not do it in favor of the players.

 

[Abhorsen]

It's not hard to notice the trend that BHG/LTG is following - the game has been PayToWin oriented for several years now. Chests with a low percentage of artifacts being obtained from them, changes in rewards for collections in the council, a decrease in the number of crowns and SpeedUps from viewing ads and completing quests, well, and as a tombstone - 12.20, so that all players rush to update museums and buy new artifacts by investing more and more $$$.

I won't be surprised if by the end of the year they stop giving us legendary tokens in such quantities so that the company can monetize mythical artifacts even more. And they will also sell us chests with a 0.01% chance of getting a mythical artifact

And it is strange that they still do not sell us skins for troops, buildings, planes, generals...

Their desires are filled only with a thirst for profit, they do not listen to the players, they only want to squeeze out more and more money. As a result, this leads to the fact that old, experienced and able to play players leave the game, and newcomers leave this absurdity at low ages because the game is saturated with bugs, many cheaters, lack of in-game balance, lack of training and understanding of the mechanics of the game. Now a newcomer needs to invest money, without which it is extremely difficult to develop and reach high ages, I'm not even talking about playing in the top 100 alliances

It's funny that the company does not fix the above problems, they constantly say that they are trying to fight this and make changes, but in fact, each new update gradually worsens and complicates the gameplay and increases dependence on money

I sincerely believe that there are good guys working in the company, but whoever makes decisions does not do it in favor of the players.

Normally this is the direction it always goes in this game. I’m sure when Mythic BKD and Māori come out. They will never be offered for 1k tokens only buying step up chests

 

[redprince]

I don't mind the cost difference as long as the mythic artifacts are so much better that it's warranted.

 

[Harlems369th]

Hi Harlem,

Can the team discuss about the idea of how token cost was decided in 12.20?

The game has always followed the logic that:

Less desirable / lower tier legendaries are 100 tokens.

Mid / high tier legendaries are 300 tokens.

We introduced Mythic now that went straight to 1,000 crowns. The gap is bizarre.

Logically I would think:

Legendary tier -

Low tier - 100
High tier - 300

Mythic tier -

Low tier - 500
High tier - 700

I’m curious why we went to such a high inflation for tokens?

Can we reduce the amount of tokens needed for mythic.

@Harlems369th

This is something that can be adjusted over time, we'll keep an eye on it for now. But no comments to be made wrt this topic.

 

[Abhorsen]

This is something that can be adjusted over time, we'll keep an eye on it for now. But no comments to be made wrt this topic.

Mostly I’m looking out for the free to play players as once the token events are completed. We will be back to having a hard time getting tokens.

 

[King Crimson]

We will be back to having a hard time getting tokens.

And that's where BHG will be counting on the whales or the always-need-to-win players.

 

[Harlems369th]

Mostly I’m looking out for the free to play players as once the token events are completed. We will be back to having a hard time getting tokens.

As we noted in their reveal, it'd be unfair to ask that you spend 1k tokens without making adjustments to the token economy. Coupled with our eventual plan to offer all Legendaries 24/7, we're not planning to dangle a carrot like that without giving ample opportunity to obtain Tokens through various means.

 

[Pokusay]

As we noted in their reveal, it'd be unfair to ask that you spend 1k tokens without making adjustments to the token economy. Coupled with our eventual plan to offer all Legendaries 24/7, we're not planning to dangle a carrot like that without giving ample opportunity to obtain Tokens through various means.

Good day. After the introduction of the Showcase into the game, do you plan to remove the 85 limit?

 

[Harlems369th]

Good day. After the introduction of the Showcase into the game, do you plan to remove the 85 limit?

No plans at this time regarding -85% debuff cap. (I'd like it if we did though)

 

[Helmsman]

Seems to me I'd rather buy ten 100 token legendary and use one line from each, then spend 1000 tokens for 6 lines.

 

[Rollin]

As we noted in their reveal, it'd be unfair to ask that you spend 1k tokens without making adjustments to the token economy. Coupled with our eventual plan to offer all Legendaries 24/7, we're not planning to dangle a carrot like that without giving ample opportunity to obtain Tokens through various means.

@Harlems369th When should this happen, when can we buy them ? 1 week, 1 month?

 

[Harlems369th]

@Harlems369th When should this happen, when can we buy them ? 1 week, 1 month?

No dates to announce at this time.

 

[LuSt]

No plans at this time regarding -85% debuff cap. (I'd like it if we did though)

Just to put things in perspective…

With the insane amount of troop damage and HP available now, roughly 300%-400% from museum, councilor, and showcase (it used to only be around 100-150 damage from museum and council), it’s really inhibiting defenders from minimizing incoming damage by not removing the -85% cap.

Wasn’t that just a coding error to begin with that was meant to stop troops and buildings from being reduced below 15% of their power? Back then percentages were much lower and it wasn’t an issue but the game has definitely evolved well past this state.

 

[Drawgs]

I did some math today. So regardless of those who don't like my choice I ended up buying the Napoleon Mythic Hat bc I don't do war much, if at all. I already had the regular one and I like it. The base stats are increased, and it has an extra line which basically makes it twice as powerful as the regular legendary.

Let's think about the cost.
The regular hat costs 100, but the mythic costs 1000 even though it's only twice as powerful?
Well, that's going on a fully upgraded hat, but base stats total 30% for regular and 66% for mythical. About the same.
Now I haven't done the math, but if its the same for the 300 coin legendaries, then its a bit of a different story. A lot closer of a number.

But here's the kicker. What if you are want to buy a legendary just for one line item and have it in the showcase? Then the mythical artifact is now on even footing for 100 coin legendaries and even better than 300 coin legendaries.

Also, they are giving away almost 20 coins a day now, so not such a big deal that these cost 3-10x the cost of a regular.

 

[King Crimson]

I did some math today. So regardless of those who don't like my choice I ended up buying the Napoleon Mythic Hat bc I don't do war much, if at all. I already had the regular one and I like it. The base stats are increased, and it has an extra line which basically makes it twice as powerful as the regular legendary.

Let's think about the cost.
The regular hat costs 100, but the mythic costs 1000 even though it's only twice as powerful?
Well, that's going on a fully upgraded hat, but base stats total 30% for regular and 66% for mythical. About the same.
Now I haven't done the math, but if its the same for the 300 coin legendaries, then its a bit of a different story. A lot closer of a number.

But here's the kicker. What if you are want to buy a legendary just for one line item and have it in the showcase? Then the mythical artifact is now on even footing for 100 coin legendaries and even better than 300 coin legendaries.

Also, they are giving away almost 20 coins a day now, so not such a big deal that these cost 3-10x the cost of a regular.

I'm eyeing off the mythical Napoleon as well.
The question for regular (non-paying) players is: is 1 or 2 mythicals better than 10 or 12 legendary one-liners (where you can target 1 or 2 specific boosts)??

 

[JuggernautJ]

Seems to me I'd rather buy ten 100 token legendary and use one line from each, then spend 1000 tokens for 6 lines.

Agreed...
My alliance has been discussing this at length on Discord.

Most have agreed but some still want the shiny new toy (no matter how much it costs/its actual value).

 

[47NZ]

Just saw 1000 tokens today... shocking jump from 300!