Discussion about the idea of rebalance in the community logic.

[Abhorsen]

Can we have a discussion with all the team staff about the state of this game?

We asked for rebalance of the game about a year ago and the team agreed to look into it, but the idea of a rebalance is normally not nerfing all builds that the community is using.

I think the team is not understanding the idea of what the concept of a true rebalance means to the community. Most game designers don’t scale back all the meta all at once and hope that will bring about using a new meta in the future. All the units that are never used. They need to be redesigned entirely. Give them special abilities to make them enticing with better synergy too.

I.E. make the range infantry have a chance to do critical dmg with each shot to a defender. Make battle tanks have the ability to ram into a wall and break them for 1 time each battle. Assault Vehicle - Give a blitz aura every 10 seconds for a range of 2.

Seriously - if you guys continue this path and I have a strong feeling you’re all going to reduce the attack speed of Mongol in the next rebalance.

You need to stop now! You’re about to lose all of your veteran players including me. If Mongol is destroyed. You have killed most of your player base. So unless you’re all in a mindset to destroy this game. I would stop this rebalance now. This isn’t what we asked for at the slightest. The team seriously needs to revert all the changes that are happening now. This isn’t the right path. Go back to the drawing board.

Your game is about to walk a dark path after 12.20 comes out. Depending on what you guys do with coalitions.


@Harlems369th

 

[jeff22192]

I stopped playing after the last update. I'm not even an attacker anymore but the fighter changes were too much.

 

[King Crimson]

the idea of a rebalance is normally not nerfing all builds that the community is using.

It is, if it helps them sell artifacts and councillors that either a) re-boost the troops they've just nerfed or b) boosts the only current viable troops.
And you think bhg don't care about their game.

 

[UttamDabhi]

If these guys really want rebalance then they should rebalance this entire game they are keep on messing with offensive players now they want to war tactics if they want to buff barrage then they should make them strong enough to kill heavy tank defender and as for nerfing coalitions they will see when that happens a large number of players are going to leave this game

 

[King Crimson]

If these guys really want rebalance then they should rebalance this entire game they are keep on messing with offensive players now they want to war tactics if they want to buff barrage then they should make them strong enough to kill heavy tank defender and as for nerfing coalitions they will see when that happens a large number of players are going to leave this game

Who said they're nerfing coalitions?

 

[Mirtran]

Who said they're nerfing coalitions?

BHG said

 

[KrispyCrame]

Who said they're nerfing coalitions?

 

[King Crimson]

They said "reviewing" - that doesn't necessarily mean nerfing .....

 

[MrBoombastic]

I do like changes. Game becomes boring when staying unchanged for long time.

Maybe they nerf Mongols and buff Ethiopian coalition with factory troops attacking speed??? Just an Interesting idea

 

[Abhorsen]

They said "reviewing" - that doesn't necessarily mean nerfing .....

Everything they have “reviewed” so far has been a nerf. Lol. It would seem logical to think this is the trend they’re on a war path.

 

[Harlems369th]

Everything they have “reviewed” so far has been a nerf. Lol. It would seem logical to think this is the trend they’re on a war path.

We also didn't say that the next combat rebalance was coming in the 12.20 update; that was a whole new sentence someone created out of what was shared or making an assumption.

 

[JuggernautJ]

I'm not overjoyed with the changes that have been made.
They do seem designed to generate income for BHG rather than improve the game.

Mythical Artifacts especially create a whole new class of things on which we are expected to spend a small fortune (if we wish to be competitive).

The new MRL category in the museum further deletes the chance of getting an artifact with two or more lines that are desirable.
I scoffed at the proposal elsewhere to increase the number of re-rolls allowed from one line to two for museum pieces but honestly, if the pool of possibilities is going to be so diluted (and one can only assume there are more to come) then that seems like something BHG should consider.
It might be "mutually beneficial" as it would allow players to eventually generate artifacts with 3-4 good lines and generate more income for BHG via Crown sales.
I know of no one who is willing to spend hours, days, weeks... etcetera crafting to get mediocre artifacts.
I can't recall the last time I got something worthwhile. And while Alliance members used to periodically post pictures of a great new Artifact on our Discord page that hasn't happened in ages... no one in our group got one single Artifact worth bragging about in the last Crafting Event.


The nerfing of things (unit types and strategies) upon which we have come to rely (and spent small fortunes to attain) is upsetting...
as has been said elsewhere it would have been possible to "rebalance" by increasing the value of other units/strategies without nerfing the current ones.

But what is truly CONFOUNDING is the absolute CHAOS into which the game has been thrown by these changes and not knowing what the future holds.
I just spent weeks of work to upgrade my Machine Gun Towers only to see them nerfed.
I spent Tokens to get a recently offered Artifact and a lot of Blueprints to level it up and now that Legendary Artifact will be rendered obsolete by a Mythical version of the same thing.

We, the players, now have zero confidence that what we spend time and (real world) resources on will be of value or unchanged in the (near) future by BHG.
Even if I was willing to spend the time retooling my Museum from Mortars/Parachutes to Bombers/MRLs what guarantee do I have that 3 months from now that strategy won't become obsolete by something BHG decides to do?

Doing business with someone (long term) is based on trust that your partner is selling you something of value.
Planning a strategy requires some level of certainty that that strategy will be viable for the foreseeable future.

DomiNations offers neither of those things at this time.
So why would anyone invest their time and/or money in it?

 

[Seek]

Y’all seem to missing how much this really going cost by adding Mythical Artifacts.

All anyone see’s is is the 3000 tokens per Mythical Artifact. What people are forgetting is to make Mythical Artifacts worth it you will need all the other Legendary Artifacts to go along with it for the last line. People that only collected artifacts they would use and not just OCD collected like I have will find them self’s behind folks that 45 to 50 War Legendary Artifacts. So not only cost 3000 tokens per Mythical Artifacts you now have to buy all the crap Legendary Artifacts you decided wasn’t worth it. That cost hurt also. Just saying

 

[Abhorsen]

Y’all seem to missing how much this really going cost by adding Mythical Artifacts.

All anyone see’s is is the 3000 tokens per Mythical Artifact. What people are forgetting is to make Mythical Artifacts worth it you will need all the other Legendary Artifacts to go along with it for the last line. People that only collected artifacts they would use and not just OCD collected like I have will find them self’s behind folks that 45 to 50 War Legendary Artifacts. So not only cost 3000 tokens per Mythical Artifacts you now have to buy all the crap Legendary Artifacts you decided wasn’t worth it. That cost hurt also. Just saying

Unfortunately, Seek isn’t wrong there. The main focus is on Showcase now. TBH- even with the introduction of Mythic Legendary. Yeah, people will get them. But most eyes will be focus on what best serves them from all the normal legendary via Showcase with the selection of 1 stats line.

 

[Abhorsen]

We also didn't say that the next combat rebalance was coming in the 12.20 update; that was a whole new sentence someone created out of what was shared or making an assumption.

The first rebalance was released on 12.18 for fighters.

The second rebalance was released on 12.19 for war tactics.

The third rebalance for coalitions is more than likely going to be on 12.20. Just following the chain of what’s been happening with rebalances so far.

@RAH-66 elaborate on the bottom of his post about 12.19 that coalitions will be the next focus for rebalancing for the over and under performing coalitions being used in war.

@Harlems369th

Harlem - the community definitely wants to know before coalitions review are completed. What the results are and what changes will be occurring in war.

 

[Seek]

Unfortunately, Seek isn’t wrong there. The main focus is on Showcase now. TBH- even with the introduction of Mythic Legendary. Yeah, people will get them. But most eyes will be focus on what best serves them from all the normal legendary via Showcase with the selection of 1 stats line.

I been asked many times by team members why did you get that crap artifact? Well besides just the OCD need to have them all lol I figured one day they would come in handy. Well they are about to become fairly important lol


If BHG is smart they will put all the Legendary Artifacts they have never offered before in Marco, should make them available for 600 tokens. That way they get mass revenue from folks trying to complete their Legendary Artifact collection. Or hell even 1000 tokens for the rare rare ones also make them all available at once on domination world


Never put all your eggs in one basket

 

[Nikolay]

I been asked many times by team members why did you get that crap artifact? Well besides just the OCD need to have them all lol I figured one day they would come in handy. Well they are about to become fairly important lol


If BHG is smart they will put all the Legendary Artifacts they have never offered before in Marco, should make them available for 600 tokens. That way they get mass revenue from folks trying to complete their Legendary Artifact collection. Or hell even 1000 tokens for the rare rare ones also make them all available at once on domination world


Never put all your eggs in one basket

By the way, in order to collect all the legendary artifacts, you need to expand the museum storage for them. 5 tables costs 250 crowns. This will also require costs. Yes, in the announcement of the update they indicated that the number of slots in the storage will be increased, but it is not said how much